{"id":4075,"date":"2023-02-15T15:00:00","date_gmt":"2023-02-15T07:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/araopenpages.com\/?p=4075"},"modified":"2023-02-14T22:26:24","modified_gmt":"2023-02-14T14:26:24","slug":"about-fandom-discourse","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/araopenpages.com\/?p=4075","title":{"rendered":"About Fandom Discourse"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1010\" height=\"400\" src=\"http:\/\/araopenpages.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/02\/about-fandom-discourse.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-4076\" srcset=\"https:\/\/araopenpages.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/02\/about-fandom-discourse.png 1010w, https:\/\/araopenpages.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/02\/about-fandom-discourse-300x119.png 300w, https:\/\/araopenpages.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/02\/about-fandom-discourse-768x304.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1010px) 100vw, 1010px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>The full title of this post was actually going to be \u2018About Fandom Discourse and Why I Try To Avoid It\u2019. So while I\u2019ve cut that down for the graphic and header, I will basically only be talking about fandom discourse as it pertains to arguments with people primarily on Tumblr which is the platform I am most active on. Specifically discourse in the fandoms I\u2019m a little more active in.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1010\" height=\"50\" src=\"http:\/\/araopenpages.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/divider.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-3599\" srcset=\"https:\/\/araopenpages.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/divider.png 1010w, https:\/\/araopenpages.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/divider-300x15.png 300w, https:\/\/araopenpages.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/divider-768x38.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1010px) 100vw, 1010px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>The biggest thing I\u2019ve noticed about fandom discourse&nbsp; is that many times &#8211; most of the time &#8211; people rarely argue in good faith. When I say people, I mean those people who will jump on (usually correctly tagged) posts and start spouting reasons why the original poster is wrong and\/or morally bankrupt for their viewpoints. This has been my experience especially in the <em>Star Wars<\/em> fandom. Bad faith readings are so common among the fandom that there are those that will badmouth bloggers for not subscribing to those readings. I am not here to waste my time and energy trying to debate with someone who has no desire to actually listen to the canon I\u2019m pointing out, to the point of view I have, and learn. Who merely wants to gaslight or sealion someone else, changing the goal posts as and when they want to in order to tear down someone else\u2019s point.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>It is almost never a fair and level playing field.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>There are so many ways these bad faith actors will twist the definitions of words to make it seem as if people are being ableist or racist or some sort of -ist for not agreeing with their point of view. It begins to feel like performative activism. It only matters when <em>they<\/em> say it matters. When it comes to actually not being racist or ableist or any other -ist towards the real life people behind the computer screens, they suddenly don\u2019t care. I\u2019ve been on the receiving end of a few rather interesting \u2018debates\u2019 and had a few anonymous mentions &#8211; shoutout to the time someone told me to shut up about being Asian when talking about the Asian influences in the Jedi Order (I\u2019m paraphrasing, I don\u2019t remember their exact words) &#8211; and it\u2019s never fun. Though I will admit I\u2019ve gone from getting upset to being angry and\/or amused. Sometimes both at the same time.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-pullquote\"><blockquote><p>Even so, when I disagree with someone\u2019s point, I refuse to send hate or messages to yell at them for it. I\u2019d much rather vagueblog about it or rant (without tagging the other person) online or to friends.<\/p><\/blockquote><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Fandom discourse has become a way for people to try and gain social cred, a way for them to show how progressive they are without actually putting in any real effort. For them to spout things about being an ally or talk about racism and representation in media, and then turn around and saying something so tone deaf to other fans. They hardly ever see the cognitive dissonance and hypocrisy in their behaviour.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Of course there are those that talk the talk and walk the walk &#8211; who talk about anti-racism and actually <em>work<\/em> to actively be more anti-racist. Those are the people who are still constantly trying to reach out and educate others.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I say this as someone who is still constantly re-evaluating her own biases &#8211; it is a lifelong journey, and it is much better to keep quiet and listen to others and absorb and learn.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1010\" height=\"50\" src=\"http:\/\/araopenpages.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/divider.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-3599\" srcset=\"https:\/\/araopenpages.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/divider.png 1010w, https:\/\/araopenpages.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/divider-300x15.png 300w, https:\/\/araopenpages.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/divider-768x38.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1010px) 100vw, 1010px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Constantly I see these bad faith and defensive arguments bringing up a \u201cfandom darling\u201d on posts that were positive about other characters. Constantly I see derailment when people want to talk about things they enjoy or discuss (canonical) villains from fans who empathise strongly with the villains that wind up being accusatory. It has happened in older fandoms I\u2019ve been in, and it happens now with the fandom I\u2019m most active in.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>It is exhausting, and while I have managed to stay on the fringes of it, I\u2019ve run out of patience for these bad faith actors and use the block button freely. I do not have to interact with one for me to block them &#8211; and I honestly urge others to do the same.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Discourse &#8211; when happening in good faith &#8211; can be a way to grow. But more and more I see it only happening in bad faith, and that is when I say to people who are still trying to engage to just block. For your own sanity, step away. These bad faith actors are not going to change their mind and are only trying to dupe you so they can make themselves look like the victim.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1010\" height=\"50\" src=\"http:\/\/araopenpages.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/pin-this-post.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-3051\" srcset=\"https:\/\/araopenpages.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/pin-this-post.jpg 1010w, https:\/\/araopenpages.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/pin-this-post-300x15.jpg 300w, https:\/\/araopenpages.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/pin-this-post-768x38.jpg 768w, https:\/\/araopenpages.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/pin-this-post-600x30.jpg 600w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1010px) 100vw, 1010px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"aligncenter size-large is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/araopenpages.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/02\/about-fandom-discourse-pin.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-4077\" width=\"450\" height=\"675\" srcset=\"https:\/\/araopenpages.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/02\/about-fandom-discourse-pin.png 600w, https:\/\/araopenpages.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/02\/about-fandom-discourse-pin-200x300.png 200w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 450px) 100vw, 450px\" \/><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1010\" height=\"50\" src=\"http:\/\/araopenpages.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/divider.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-3599\" srcset=\"https:\/\/araopenpages.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/divider.png 1010w, https:\/\/araopenpages.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/divider-300x15.png 300w, https:\/\/araopenpages.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/divider-768x38.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1010px) 100vw, 1010px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>I say, block freely and live your life.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>What are your thoughts on discourse?<\/li><li>Which fandoms have been the WORST to participate in?<\/li><li>Have you ever been in a \u2018debate\u2019 with someone online that you\u2019ve regretted?<\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1010\" height=\"400\" src=\"http:\/\/araopenpages.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/09\/FOOTER.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-3907\" srcset=\"https:\/\/araopenpages.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/09\/FOOTER.png 1010w, https:\/\/araopenpages.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/09\/FOOTER-300x119.png 300w, https:\/\/araopenpages.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/09\/FOOTER-768x304.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1010px) 100vw, 1010px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>If you like my content, consider <a href=\"https:\/\/ko-fi.com\/aradhnak\">leaving me a tip on Ko-fi<\/a>.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The full title of this post was actually going to be \u2018About Fandom Discourse and Why I Try To Avoid It\u2019. So while I\u2019ve cut that down for the graphic and header, I will basically only be talking about fandom discourse as it pertains to arguments with people primarily on Tumblr which is the platform I am most active on. Specifically discourse in the fandoms I\u2019m a little more active in. The biggest thing I\u2019ve noticed about fandom discourse&nbsp; is that many times &#8211; most of the time &#8211; people rarely argue in good faith. When I say people, I mean those people who will jump on (usually correctly tagged) posts and start spouting reasons why the original poster is wrong and\/or morally bankrupt for their viewpoints. This has been my experience especially in the Star Wars fandom. Bad faith readings are so common among the fandom that there are those that will badmouth bloggers for not subscribing to those readings. I am not here to waste my time and energy trying to debate with someone who has no desire to actually listen to the canon I\u2019m pointing out, to the point of view I have, and learn. Who merely wants to gaslight or sealion someone else, changing the goal posts as and when they want to in order to tear down someone else\u2019s point. It is almost never a fair and level playing field. There are so many ways these bad faith actors will twist the definitions of words to make it seem as if people are being ableist or racist or some sort of -ist for not agreeing with their point of view. It begins to feel like performative activism. It only matters when they say it matters. When it comes to actually not being racist or ableist or any other -ist towards the real life people behind the computer screens, they suddenly don\u2019t care. I\u2019ve been on the receiving end of a few rather interesting \u2018debates\u2019 and had a few anonymous mentions &#8211; shoutout to the time someone told me to shut up about being Asian when talking about the Asian influences in the Jedi Order (I\u2019m paraphrasing, I don\u2019t remember their exact words) &#8211; and it\u2019s never fun. Though I will admit I\u2019ve gone from getting upset to being angry and\/or amused. Sometimes both at the same time. Even so, when I disagree with someone\u2019s point, I refuse to send hate or messages to yell at them for it. I\u2019d much rather vagueblog about it or rant (without tagging the other person) online or to friends. Fandom discourse has become a way for people to try and gain social cred, a way for them to show how progressive they are without actually putting in any real effort. For them to spout things about being an ally or talk about racism and representation in media, and then turn around and saying something so tone deaf to other fans. They hardly ever see the cognitive dissonance and hypocrisy in their behaviour. Of course there are those that talk the talk and walk the walk &#8211; who talk about anti-racism and actually work to actively be more anti-racist. Those are the people who are still constantly trying to reach out and educate others. I say this as someone who is still constantly re-evaluating her own biases &#8211; it is a lifelong journey, and it is much better to keep quiet and listen to others and absorb and learn. Constantly I see these bad faith and defensive arguments bringing up a \u201cfandom darling\u201d on posts that were positive about other characters. Constantly I see derailment when people want to talk about things they enjoy or discuss (canonical) villains from fans who empathise strongly with the villains that wind up being accusatory. It has happened in older fandoms I\u2019ve been in, and it happens now with the fandom I\u2019m most active in. It is exhausting, and while I have managed to stay on the fringes of it, I\u2019ve run out of patience for these bad faith actors and use the block button freely. I do not have to interact with one for me to block them &#8211; and I honestly urge others to do the same. Discourse &#8211; when happening in good faith &#8211; can be a way to grow. But more and more I see it only happening in bad faith, and that is when I say to people who are still trying to engage to just block. For your own sanity, step away. These bad faith actors are not going to change their mind and are only trying to dupe you so they can make themselves look like the victim. I say, block freely and live your life. What are your thoughts on discourse? Which fandoms have been the WORST to participate in? Have you ever been in a \u2018debate\u2019 with someone online that you\u2019ve regretted? If you like my content, consider leaving me a tip on Ko-fi.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[63,715],"tags":[773,59],"class_list":["post-4075","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-discussion-post","category-media","tag-about-fandom-discourse","tag-writings"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/araopenpages.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4075","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/araopenpages.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/araopenpages.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/araopenpages.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/araopenpages.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=4075"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/araopenpages.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4075\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":4078,"href":"https:\/\/araopenpages.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4075\/revisions\/4078"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/araopenpages.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=4075"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/araopenpages.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=4075"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/araopenpages.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=4075"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}